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November 26th, 2009, 2:41 pm



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Dregan , November 17th, 2009, 2:45 pm Dregan , August 19th, 2017, 4:09 am


The Mother of Bar'd


As comics go, this one was particularly sparse... if I remember correctly, I just wanted to get Vas outside.
I suck, go figure.








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Tanokki unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 2:51 pm


Poor poor Shelia. Can't turn Leo into a women.


gatemaster unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 2:54 pm


...A bearded women


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 3:33 pm


The thought of a bearded woman scares me.


Ganato unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 3:47 pm


Keep on trying, Shelia. It ougtha work sometime.


LaMoop unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 3:52 pm


Oh well, I guess if MY Leo shows up he'd have to be referred to as LM.. ¬¬;;

Bearded woman.. Daaayumn. Can't wait for the 100th issue when I assume even more characters will drink Cintreuse. xD


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 7:15 pm

Reply from last page
"As previously stated, don't like the comic? Then don't read it. Jeez, is it really too much too ask for? If you continue like this, then sir, I (and assuredly others as well) will safely assume that you, Evil Agram, are a good-for-nothing troll."


So if there is something which I don't like, I should lie down and take it? So if I'm opposed to overpriced diamond prices and african slave labor, I should just sit back and not criticize? If I dislike the trend of the industry to move towards low artistic standards and unfunny jokes, I should just shut up and step down?

Gee, what a negative outlook, that we should all just accept that the world is bad and not try to do anything.


I'll follow up with a comment on this comic in a sec.



EDIT: Today's joke is a retread of the joke from two comics ago. Didn't laugh then, not laughing now.

Also, what's up with that weird look Vas had in the 4th panel?


Sadpanda unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 7:50 pm


Inb4fight


Harrow unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 8:53 pm


I bet the table is loaded with Cintreusee


"Didn't laugh then, not laughing now."
And? So what?
One person out of hundreds is nothing.
Stop saying that like he should take your word, and your word alone.
Now stop freaking repeating that.
It's just as unhelpful as a troll typing "UNFUNNY FAGGOT."

And if you're gonna reply to one user, PM them, don't waste space on here.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 10:10 pm


I'm not typing that, and I'm not a troll. I'm a critic. The two are not mutually inclusive.

One person out of hundreds is still a person. Of course his word shouldn't weigh over everyone else's but his word should still weigh in. Everyone's word must be taken for what it is and evaluated.

Even the worst critics ought to be listened to. Everyone should.

I'm an artist too, I've been through all the same stuff. Try criticizing my work here: http://www.smackjeeves.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2256 I'd love it. I'd openly welcome it.

I'm not trolling here. I'm providing a service which artists must accept or even request on a simple principle of being an artist at all, and I'm not claiming to be any exception to this rule.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 11:13 pm


I am flabbergasted as to how you use EXTREME analogies and comparisons to try to use in your argument which have nearly nothing to do with it in the first place. I dislike the slave trade because it is morally wrong. I dislike Borderlands because of personal opinion. Which dislike is more reasonable in your opinion? The fact that you're insinuating that I 'accept' that something is bad and 'not try to do anything' doesn't mean I'm pessimist. If anything I'm realistic, and I would go on to explain more on ethics and personal beliefs, but this is NOT the place, and I will continue with the matter in hand.

Your opinion as 'one out of hundreds' is still valued, but seeing as only few other readers have a SIMILAR opinion to yours, it just doesn't carry weight. The voice of one, as unfortunate as it is, is never enough to have things changed in a democratic society. At most, the view is recorded for later reference, but that is it.

This is seriously blowing out of proportion. Understand: this comic is for everyone to read. I can make a fairly large-sized bet that far more people than the 208 fans reading this have at least read one of the comics, perhaps around 500 or more. Why aren't they all fans? Perhaps they don't enjoy the comic as much, perhaps they simply are guests, or perhaps they just don't know how to (this is the internet after all) but the matter of the fact is still this: the majority didn't become fans because they decided not to read since they might as well not have enjoyed reading this.

TL;DR: Slave trade =/= comics, I'm not a pessimist, your lone voice is not enough, plenty people don't become fans because they stop reading because they don't enjoy it.
PS: Stop being a bloody whiner.


Harrow unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 26th, 2009, 11:39 pm


Point missed. Horrayyy

And if it's to keep in mind, then say it more like something to be kept in mind. That'd be better than suggesting "FIX IT" through negative feedback.


AnXjak unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 12:04 am


Fun fact sure is fact.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 12:28 am


Yeh, I didn't like that analogy so much either, which is why I followed it up with a more accurate analogy. I was originally going to leave it with overpriced diamonds, but I thought it lacked the same reasoning as its currently written. I certainly wasn't trying to draw an extreme analogy, only draw an analogy of a parallel situation. Sorry about that.

I dislike things that are of low quality, not some random question of my tastes in genre, humor, or otherwise. My dislike of things isn't the issue at all. The issue is him doing things poorly in the first place. I can tolerate things that aren't my cup of tea and say they did a good job, putting aside my personal tastes. This isn't doing a good job.

My opinions are things I keep out of my critique except when mentioning, "oh this isn't my favorite genre, but I've put that aside, you did a nice job." I dislike real time strategy games, but I don't say they're bad because of that. I say they're bad when they're poorly designed.

I'll stop "whining" when the quality of the comic improves, and when artistic critique stops being necessary for improvement. I'm wasn't talking about the people who stop reading a comic because they don't like it being pessimists, I'm talking about the people who tell others to just ignore bad things. They're the pessimists. Not even pessimists, that's outright cynicism (where did you pick the word pessimism up from? That doesn't really have much to do with what I said).

I'm sick of bad comics. I want it to change. I'm not stopping.


I'll point out flaws where they crop up, because frankly you should be big enough people to take it, improve yourselves and move on.


Also, the fun fact REALLY does explain why the comic is so dull. Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance.


Harrow unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 12:37 am


Penis.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 12:43 am


Pessimist is the wrong word, you're correct on that. Mea culpa.

However, if this was a poor quality comic, I really doubt that there would be over 200 fans within 80 comics. Most average to poor quality comics tend to have hundreds of comics, but maybe 50 to 70 fans at most. This means that quality is not a set thing, but rather a person's perception. What is your idea of quality? That's the problem. If you think that this comic is bad, why do others thoroughly enjoy it when you don't? Obviously we need to draw a line at 'this is a bad comic'. I also doubt that nearly everyone of those who has commented on this comic would consider this as poor quality.

The whole purpose of comic artists is to entertain readers. That's their unwritten duty. If you think that making comics entertaining enough to have over 200 people 'subscribe' to this comic is not doing a good job, then I find your logic very illogical.

Besides, as much as I dislike it, asking and asking for something changed will not change it unless there is enough support for the change. If it were so, then people would keep changing things to their preference and not to others, and chaos would ensue.

TL;DR: How do you define quality? Dregan's doing a good job entertaining at least 208 people. Gimme-gimme never gets.


Imperial unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 1:40 am


you're slightly mistaken Giulo most people who make sprite comics to have fun and people enjoying it is a side a effect that makes it more enjoyable, If Dregan making his comic better helps him enjoy it more than by all means critics welcome, however, Agram, just saying its a bad joke doesn't help, you gotta say why, and the way he "reused" the joke is done all the time in pop-culture I don't know many people who try something then give up completely the first time their caught.
P.S. That whole if you don't like it don't read it is a bunch of BS


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 1:49 am


Excuse me? The fact that readers have a choice to not read the comic if they do not enjoy it is not 'BS' as you put it. Why is it? It is commonly used excuse perhaps, but no less valid. Since when did it become less valid?


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 1:55 am


That's not what he said. He's saying that because something is bad doesn't mean you should ignore it.

It's bullshit to tell people to stop reading something if they dislike it.

We don't care if someone stops reading something that they dislike. We're annoyed at you telling us to stop reading since we dislike it.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 2:07 am


I am not telling you to ignore the comic if you dislike it. I am just referring that you have the choice. Stop putting words in my mouth, because I never ordered anyone to stop reading. I might have sounded as if I were commanding, but I never intended to do so.

Also, unless you mean 'we' as in you and Imperial, I seriously doubt that people are more annoyed with me than with you Agram.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 2:23 pm


Yeah, I have the choice, I've had the choice, and here I am.

Who else could I possibly be referring to when I say, "We"? I didn't bring any backup with me, I never do.


Yamataro unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 2:45 pm


What's funny, Is that (the fun fact) Is what I do every single comic I make. I had no plan whatsoever. Makes the comic feel more real than one of those, "You know the good guy is gonna win no matter what." Type of comic.


Harrow unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 27th, 2009, 5:42 pm


"It's bullshit to tell people to stop reading something if they dislike it."
Actually, if everyone ignored what they didn't like, flame war population would be cut in half.
Oh, it'd also prevent trolls from spawning.
...On the internet of course. Politics and craps is a different matter.

And...
"I'm sick of bad comics."
Again, you're supposed to say 'comics that I don't like.' It's your opinion, not a fact for everyone else.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 1:06 am


Yeah, but aren't flamewars how problems are solved? If nobody stands up for what they believe in, then what kind of world do we have?

It's not an opinion. Bad isn't a subjective quality that changes from person to person, otherwise certain things wouldn't be universally acclaimed.

It's hard to objectively say good or bad on most things due to subjectivity and personal taste, so I break it down to the amount of effort put in, and the amount of skill demonstrated.

It's the same art every comic due to sprite edits, so that's naturally horrible. I'd just be repeating myself ad infinitum if I critiqued that every day. I mentioned the "human" when he came up.

So all I'm left with are the jokes, which the fun fact in this issue admits are last second.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 2:34 am


Welcome to the internet, where huge debates (aka flamewars) bring nothing but frustration.

If quality is determined by effort, then by that logic, a math genius who takes one minute on a tough calculus problem with hardly any effort and gets it completely right, his work is of horrible quality. Have someone else work on the same problem, letting him take 30 hard-work minutes. If he gets it completely wrong, according to your logic, then his work is of excellent quality. That is some bullshit logic.

And I do believe you are completely missing the point of sprite comics. They are meant to have a particular art style. According to the sprite world, if 'it's the same art every comic due to sprite edits', it is NOT 'naturally horrible'. If anything, it is only natural. Sprite comics can change styles as well, but they're not required to. And Dregan is not in full control of the art style of all of the characters in the comic, seeing as many are cameos from other sprite artists. So really, considering that there are different works from different sprite artists, the art style does continually change every now and then, and isn't that 'good' by your standards?

TL;DR: More effort =/= more quality, sprite styles are naturally static, and in this comic they are changing because of the cameos.


SliceOfDog unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 4:00 am


"Bad isn't a subjective quality that changes from person to person, otherwise certain things wouldn't be universally acclaimed."

Killbill. Modern Art. Dance music. Three things that, in my experience, more people like than dislike. I hate all three with a passion. I will explain my reasoning if people ask. When I am made to go on a school trip to the Tate Modern I argue with my teachers for about a half hour telling them why modern art is crap.
But do you know what I DON'T do? I don't go on Modern Art forums to piss everyone off. I don't join the Killbill fan club so I have access to all the Killbill fans and can tell them directly what I think. I don't buy Dance CDs just so I can review them negatively later on.
This doesn't mean I'm lying down and accepting what I percieve as bad. It means I accept that other people DO like these things, and unless they shove it down my throat (Ie the mandatory Modern Art gallery trip), and as long as I have access to the things I DO like, I'm not going to try and ruin those things for the people who like them.

I don't think you shouldn't complain about comics you don't like, certainly not when it's constructive. But you keep arguing the SAME points, and as time goes on it's less and less constructive. Its got to the point now where you just complain about every joke. If it's 'bad', as you put it, and Dregan isn't taking your advice, that's his loss. He'll not get as many fans as he could, and the artists and writers who DO take your advice will prosper and become more popular. Repeating the same points over and over again will become counter-productive. You'll become a scape-goat for his 'bad' humour.
By that I mean all his fans will leap to his defence, where they might have considered your points if you weren't so insulting in their delivery.
Either give this up as a bad job or, and I imagine with what you've said that this is the choice you'll go with, ammend your arguements to be more constructive and less insulting. Maybe then he'll pay attention to you, and you'll certainly get more people on your side. Maybe if you just act a little more patiently and politely you can turn your 'one in a hundred' to a majority.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 4:07 am


I didn't just say effort, because hard work won't get you anywhere if you're headed in the wrong direction. I've known a lot of people who draw way more (I'd say ten times more as a ballpark estimate) than I do, yet have progressed absolutely nowhere. However I can't just say skill, because some people haven't worked at it for as long as others have, and may be newbies, so effort has to compensate in those cases. This is neither. He's not trying, nor showing skill. I did not just say effort, so stop misquoting me.

Missing the point of sprite comics? I LOVE SPRITE COMICS, BUT MOST OF THEM SUCK. http://www.neorice.com/aptgg_1 I present this as evidence of a sprite comic done right. All the art belongs to the guy making it (no edits at all), and he's doing a damned good job all the way through. Not that I said that sprite EDIT comics are naturally horrible, NOT SPRITE COMICS. Please stop mis-quoting me.

So really, if he's left at the whim of other artists, then perhaps you should give me a link to all these contributing artists so I can hound them too.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 4:12 am


@SliceOfDog: Citing three things you dislike that everyone else loves does not a good example make. You're citing an exception, not a rule.

Also, most of the phenomena you're talking about are fandom phenomena, where you're talking to the fans. I'm not trying to talk to the fans here, I'm attempting to address the creator, and this is the most direct way.

I'm not being insulting. I am saying things clearly without personal attacks. I am critiquing the same way I have been critiqued, the same way I ask to be critiqued, the same way people critique me within serious art communities.


SliceOfDog unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 4:28 am


"Citing three things you dislike that everyone else loves does not a good example make. You're citing an exception, not a rule."

I'm not claiming there is a rule present. I was giving an example of things I see as bad that most people do not. I cannot understand how they like the examples I gave, but they do and I can respect that. It was a point made to prove that quality, for the most part, is indeed subjective, and I don't understand how I have failed to show this.

"I'm attempting to address the creator, and this is the most direct way."
Ok, ok. You admitted that your slave trade arguement wasn't a good analogy, perhaps I can admit my points weren't the best. Imagine, then, that I had said "I hate Killbill, and if I met Quentin Tarentino I would tell him so, but if he ignored me I wouldn't just follow him and keep saying it, because if he ignored me the first time he probably won't pay attention later, and will continue to make, in my opinion, terrible movies". Better?

Also, "the same way people critique me within serious art communities."
This may be your problem right here. You see, this is NOT a serious art community. There may be serious artists and comics on here, as there are on DeviantArt and many other art sites open to everyone, but it is still open to EVERYONE. Serious artist or otherwise. Perhaps Dregan does not see himself as a serious artist, so why critique him as one? Critique him as someone who has a side-project, which he creates using a hobby of his. Because this is all Bar'd is, I can assure you. I know Dregan in real life. He doesn't pour his absolute heart and soul into this, for all his obsessive punctual updates, and if he did the important parts of his life (Education, work, these kind of things) would no doubt suffer. If he was denying his own flaws and claimed to be a great artist, then fine, critique him as one. But he hasn't, so don't. It's like critiquing a child's hand painting in the same way you would an adults painting. You just wouldn't do it.

And two more short points. All the recolourings and edits in this comic are made by OTHER PEOPLE! The point of this comic is to feature the sprites of Dregan's friends and fans. All of Dregan's sprites (At least the ones in this comic) are made from scratch. In fact, only a week or so ago was Vas' entire sheet redone, so don't go saying he never tries to improve himself. All Sprite edits are cameos. If he personally sprited every cameo there would be no comic.
Secondly I read the comic you linked to. I chuckled at one point in the first ten comics. For a comic trying to be funny, I don't think that's a good track record. So you know what I did? I stopped reading it. I don't consider myself any worse off for doing so.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 6:19 am


"I break it down to the amount of effort put in, and the amount of skill demonstrated." How did I misquote you if I talked about the efforts and skills of two different mathematicians trying to tackle a problem?

Regardless, just because some sprite artists have the time and skill to come up with works from scratch, doesn't mean that every other artist should. If anything, fully custom work is very demanding, especially when making a full sprite sheet of said custom sprites. What about the more casual sprite artists? If they don't have the proper motivation, skill, or time to make said custom sprites, they settle for either edits, recolors, or the official game sprites that they use.

In fact, just because someone took the time to make fully custom sprite sheets doesn't mean that their comic is superior to those who didn't. Look at Bob and George. Look at Sonic and Pals. Those sprite comics use more official sprites than recolors or edits, yet they are extremely popular. Look at {MUTE} on Smackjeeves. {MUTE} uses edited sprites (INCLUDING cameos) and is immensely popular by sprite comic standards.

So really, just because the sprites in a comic are not custom, doesn't mean that the comic itself is bad.

FYI, the comic you linked, A Path to Greater Good, got some occasional chuckles and only one full-hearted laugh. It has over 200 pages, and seeing that it is trying to tell a story whilst being funny, it's not doing so well. It has an interesting and unique story if not a great one in my opinion. But the humor doesn't appeal to me in the same way as Bar'd does. So again, quality is essentially subjective.

FYI 2.0: That "human that sure does look like a yellow rabbit" is one of my works. And all who have seen it but you easily recognized him as a human, and enjoyed his sprite style. I took your comment, and I will not bash it down. However, seeing as I'm not a serious sprite artist, I have no obligation to follow your critique, as art for me is a hobby as it is for others in the SJ community as SliceOfDog stated.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 2:33 pm


It's more of a plot comic, which is honestly what I was citing it as. I was citing it as a sprite comic done right artistically, and plotwise. There are so few on the internet these days. Only 3 last I checked. If we're going to rate things on a basis of how much you laugh, when reading this comic, I was silent the entire time.

Some sprite artists? Sprites are the only field where people can get away with NOT coming up with work from scratch.

Because the sprites in the comic are not custom, it means the comic is bad artistically. The scripts are a retread of a dozen and seven existing jokes, so it doesn't win there either.

What is up with that analogy about critiquing a child's fingerpainting? Are you implying that everyone here is a child and I should avoid being too harsh on them because you'll cry? Sure as hell looks that way seeing how you're crying right now. Obviously I wouldn't be harsh on a child's fingerpainting because he's a child and can't be expected to do any better, and he'd be hurt by harsh criticism. You're teenagers at bare minimum, you aren't children. That excuse doesn't apply to you.

Deviantart is not a serious art community. ConceptArt and CGhub are.

If he has no control over the content of the cameos, then why doesn't he ask the people contributing to shape up?


If the human was yours, perhaps you could try getting a skintone on it that matches actual flesh, and move away from the sonic edits.

Vas I've ignored until now because I know the current sprite is custom. It has faults, but they're not nearly as pressing as the other elements of the comic.

{MUTE}, I am going to read. From the little I've seen, it looks like YET ANOTHER dumb sonic edit comic, with poor art thrown in with the poor edits as a complement. Naturally when I'm done, I'll take to critiquing it as well in the appropriate comment box.


Cat Top unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 2:59 pm


SURE IS LONG COMMENTS AROUND HERE

you say you hate these dumb sonic edits (Which i do as well now, even though being one of them) but you seriously have the time to type all of that?
don't you have, what do us humans call it, a life? friends?


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 3:27 pm


How rude. Of course I do. Just because I can type fast and put effort into compelling arguments doesn't mean I don't have a life and friends.

You can't make assumptions about those types of things from such a limited input. Basic rule of debate, don't go for attacks to the person.


Sadpanda unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 4:58 pm


Told you I was here before the fight.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 9:10 pm


"The scripts are a retread of a dozen and seven existing jokes, so it doesn't win there either." I can name several comics (IE Madam & Eve, South African political comic), cartoons (Tom & Jerry and Looney Tunes anyone?) and even TV series (Jericho, Don Matteo) where jokes are done over and over again is slight variations yet are still funny over time. So the fact that Bar'd here is retelling jokes from earlier in different ways and still making people laugh is by no means 'not a win' except to you.

Dregan doesn't ask the artists who provide their cameos for one obvious reason: He likes them (their work) and obviously many others do, otherwise this would not have reached 200 fans within 70 comics.

Perhaps the analogy of the finger painting is incorrect, but relevant nevertheless. Smackjeeves is as SliceOfDog stated: not a serious art community. Rather, a community of comic artists who mostly do their comics as a pastime or hobby without actually trying to achieve something. Let me compare the serious artists vs. hobby artists to the gaming 'hardcore gamers vs. casual'. Is the skill of hardcore gamers, who play games far more than casual gamers, greater than the casual players? Most undoubtedly. However, do many casual gamers strive to achieve the same skill? Not likely. They just game for the fun of it as a hobby.

Critiquing the artists who do what they do as a hobby rather than to display their skill as is the case here, makes little sense. Dregan is an artist who is making a small project for fun, and showed it to the world. Does he technically need critique? No, he's doing a good job according to most, and as a casual artist, he doesn't need to improve unless he wants to become more popular if he wishes to.

I have given up on spriting for reasons for my own, and so, I will not comply with your critique. But sonic edits were what I knew in terms of sprites at the time, and I've tried going for custom or other forms of edits, but the one that I came up which you can see now is the best of all of those attempts. Now I'm trying digital drawing, but what with the International Baccalaureate and such, it will be a while before I post anything.

PS: Another sprite comic which is undoubtedly the most popular on Smackjeeves, is Two Evil Scientists. It used all official game sprites, then moved with some edits, but still has over 1700 fans. I'd enjoy seeing you attempting to critique it while being shot down by literally hundreds of readers.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 10:03 pm


It's not just displaying skill, it's about seeking improvement for the base ideal of improving at all.

Critique is a necessary facet of art, and life, and I cannot agree with anyone who wishes to ignore it for any reason.

The only way in which I can possibly agree with your point and analogy of casual gamers are in the context of people who create art or who play games purely for the mental and emotional state it provides. The ideal of playing simply for the sake of playing. However this falls short in of his posting the comic to the net, and reveling in having 200 fans.


I'd love to go after the comic mentioned, but I work solo. If I wanted to seriously touch a comic like that then I'd have to either call in backup, or pull the same deal that the xkcdsucks blog did (Great blog by the way) and build up a counter-fanbase.

Seriously, this crap is like twilight. No matter how bad it is, you'll never get a fan to admit it, and all critique is brushed off by people too blind to see their hand in front of their face if it would mean covering up their idol.


Zmanwarrior unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 11:17 pm


Giulio, listen. So what if Evil doesn't like Bar'd? He's just one guy. Nothing to go all crazy over. Everything out there with fans is bound to have some detractors eventually. Haven't you noticed how Dregan hasn't said anything throughout this whole arguement that's broken out? He's taking it in stride and I'm sure he's read and considered whatever critique Evil originally gave out.


G.I.U.L.I.O. unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 11:32 pm


Like SliceOfDog said, I'm not going crazy over Agram not liking Bar'd. I'm frustrated at how he is not only, to be frank, complaining on the same points continually, AND irritating those who actually enjoy Bar'd. That is not proper critique etiquette.

Besides, Dregan's been away for a while last I heard. So I won't be surprised if soon someone will be banned from commenting and having all of these flaming comments deleted. It happened before (but on a different matter), it's probably going to happen again.


Zmanwarrior unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 28th, 2009, 11:56 pm


That wouldn't work. Evil uses proxy accounts. A lot. And since he's apparently some sort of hacking genius, or at least he says he is, IP banning wouldn't work either. So my advice to you would be to simply ignore him.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 1:11 am


@Zman: What. I never said I was a hacking "genius". I rarely hack except in code projects or ban evasion. The rest is true, I can evade any ban.

Honestly I think Dregan has decided to ignore me. Poor move. Don't ignore your detractors. I sure as hell don't.

@G.I.U.L.I.O: Proper critique ettiquitte? I'm not flaming, I'm not trolling. I'm commenting directly on the work, not addressing anyone other than the author. It's you people who take issue with it.

Gee, why is it that the people on the forums can take my critique in stride, but all the editors freak out? What's with you people?


Zmanwarrior unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 1:51 am


You fell into the sixth circle of Hell. Welcome, and be sure to wipe your feet.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 2:39 am


Heresy? "Heresy is proposing some unorthodox change to an established system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established opinion of scholars of that belief such as canon."

Well, as they say, Blasphemy is a victimless crime.


Zmanwarrior unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 2:44 am


We're all victims when you get down to it.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 2:50 am


Semantics much?


Zmanwarrior unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 2:51 am


I openly admit to it. Though you, sir, appear to be the one constantly wanting to get the last word in.


Evil Agram unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., November 29th, 2009, 3:17 am


Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.


Harrow unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., December 2nd, 2009, 12:34 am


Last word get!


Lugbzurg unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., December 4th, 2009, 4:22 pm


"Yeah, but aren't flamewars how problems are solved? If nobody stands up for what they believe in, then what kind of world do we have?"

You dolt.




Has anyone else, like, lost all respect for this guy? He seems to say that he's so important in weighing in. But reading what he has to say, I can tell it doesn't weigh in at all. He's just making a huge fool out of himself.


KK Awesomesauce unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., June 2nd, 2010, 3:29 pm


last word get


Xenocide unknowingly drank PUMPKIN FLAVOURED Cintreuse., October 6th, 2011, 3:59 am


Last word is = to, or more than, get~


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